“So many? Really?” Germans do not know how many Russians were killed by their ancestors

#May9 #VictoryDay #Russia #Germany

Re-posting this article from Stanislav as a whole! 

Link: http://stanislavs.org/so-many-really-germans-do-not-know-how-many-russians-were-killed-by-their-ancestors/

Stanislav Sokolov, May, 2019:

Victory Day, May the 9th is close and to commemorate it, I translated an article by Georgij Zotov from Argumenty i Facty of 2013, with some additional commentary from me. Despite it being 6 years old, it is even more current than it was back then.

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In 2015 I translated Georgij Zotov’s article Repentance of Berlin. After 70 years, the Germans have an unambiguous attitude towards the Soviet victory.

This year it elicited the following comment:

LaRock on March 6, 2019 at 19:50 said:
The war is over stop punishing Germany

To which I replied:

Stanislav on March 12, 2019 at 20:02 said:
This comment should be addressed to the USA, who are still occupying and punishing Germany. If you read the article, you’d see that it’s about remembrance and reconciliation.

However, a better reply would have been a translation of an even earlier article by Zotov, one from 2013. I am translating it below, followed by a translation of two reader comments from AiF and my thoughts on them and what Zotov wrote in one particular paragraph.

Today, with racism and calls to war and genocide being the norm on the pages of the Western MSM (“racism” is a common-root synonym of “russophobia”) and the number of the Western troops and war hardware right on the Russian border being the highest since the June of 1941, it is time to remember. For while the West is collectively shrugging off 1941-1945 as “just another invasion of Russia” and preparing for a new one, Russia remembers, watches closely and prepares to defend its land once more.

In this today’s context remembrance is the key to preventing another invasion of Russia by the West, and prevent this time hundreds of millions people being killed – both defenders, attackers and bystanders…


“So many? Really?” Germans do not know how many Russians were killed by their ancestors

Argumenty i Fakty, 05.05.2013

“AiF” correspondent talked in Germany with a lot of people, including the grandson of Rudolf Hess. And found out that the Victory Day is respected, but most residents of Germany do not know how many lives we lost in The War.

The 15-year-old Gunther suddenly had a seizure – an hour after the start of the tour. He fell to his knees beside the barracks and began to sob, smearing tears on his cheeks. A crowd gathered around the boy. Someone from his high school was calling on a cellphone, someone searched the pockets for pills. “Why?!” Gunther shouted. “How could the Germans do THIS to people?! Do we even deserve forgiveness?”


Rally participants of the Youth caravan of peace in the former Nazi concentration camp Dachau. 1986 meeting of participants of the Youth caravan of the world in the former Nazi concentration camp Dachau. 1986 Photo – RIA Novosti

Nervous breakdowns of German teenagers in the ex-concentration camp of the SS Dachau near Munich are quite common. Despite this, a visit to the memorial is included in the compulsory school curriculum for high school. Children are shown the crematorium ovens, where tens of thousands of prisoners burned, gas chambers and photos of savage experiments of SS doctors. “It is necessary in order for this not to happen again,” the Museum employee told me. “After all, the worst of evils is forgotten over time.” That’s, probably, the case. According to polls, 80% of Germans now do not know that their grandfathers killed 27 million people in the USSR…

“Land of ice and snow”

“What do I think about the Victory Day? Oh, the Russians seem like mysterious heroes from science fiction films to me. That’s, probably, how the people, who overturned Hitler should appear. Many Germans still do not understand why Germany decided to fight with you. We have much in common as peoples – take, for example, at least a love for sausages and beer!»

73-year-old lawyer Rolf Clement was a child when the war began. His cousin, an officer of the Wehrmacht, froze to death in Stalingrad. He says, there can be no hard feelings: “We attacked, you defended. Fair enough.” But Rolf has a different attitude towards the Americans and the British: “In the Summer of 43, their aircraft completely burned Hamburg, killing 42 thousand people. Is this the right kind of war?” The Germans often emphasized in the interviews: Hitler was a monster, but they also had hard times when he was in power. They remember the death of Paulus’s army, the bombing of the cities, and the fall of Berlin. They are well aware of the Holocaust and the millions of Jews killed in concentration camps. However, the inhabitants of Germany do not know much about the seas of blood, which flooded the Soviet Union.

“For the Germans,” says historian Gerhard Büchlein “Russia is a country of ice and snow, where “General Winter” froze poor boys dressed in a uniform with a swastika. But in Germany they shy to argue on the topic that the Wehrmacht and the SS perpetrated on the occupied territory of the USSR. On TV and in press they do not forget to mention: only 6 thousand soldiers (from 100 thousand taken as POWs in Stalingrad) have returned home. However, few people know that 3 million Soviet prisoners of war were tortured in the SS concentration camps. We are horrified by the allied air raids – 600 thousand Germans buried alive under the rubble of buildings in Berlin, Dresden, Regensburg. And we have no idea that exactly the same number of people died from hunger and shelling because of the siege of Leningrad.”


Hamburg 1943. Photo: globallookpress.com

Munich (like Hamburg) was also bombed, though less so. Some “significant places” of the Third Reich survived, but then they were destroyed by the Germans themselves. For example, a demolished pub “Burgerbraukeller”, where Hitler pushed speeches (for the avoidance of pilgrimage for neo-Nazis). The man I’m interviewing is taking me downtown.

“You know,” I say to my companion. “If my grandfather had seen us, he would not have liked it.”

“Hmm,” he says in reply. “And mine even less so. I’m sitting next to a Russian!”

“Did we kill so many?!»

My grandfather was a Soviet military pilot, was shot down in late 1944 and remained in captivity until the German surrender. The grandfather of my interlocutor, 34-year-old engineer Wolf Hess, was Hitler’s Deputy for the party, obergruppenführer Rudolf Hess. Wolf himself is anti-fascist and sincerely believes that May the 9th is the liberation of his country from dictatorship. “I want to know,” he asks. “If I come to Russia, will I have any difficulties?” “Of course not,” I say. “Even those who fought forgave the Germans.” Wolf nods: “I never felt that the Russians were our enemies. And… how many civilians died in the USSR?” I answer him – about 18 million. Executions of hostages, mass executions in Babi Yar, punitive actions, automated suffocator machines in Krasnodar. Wolf pales. “Really that many?!»


Photo: globallookpress.com

This phrase is one that I often hear in Germany. “Do you want to see photos on the Internet?” I enquire. “There are SS men posing next to the mountains of corpses. There are thousands of pictures in the archives.” My companion is lost in thought. “We rarely talk about it,” he sighs. “The main theme of the atrocities of the Nazis is Holocaust.”

In my opinion, we should not forget the Holocaust. It’s the insane destruction of an entire nation, from babies to old people. Another thing – it turns out that repentance for the atrocities of the German army is very selective. Films, talk shows and TV shows are devoted to one fact, while the others are kept under wraps. Even in Austria, in a town near the former SS Mauthausen concentration camp, when I asked passers-bys about who had been killed in the barracks, the opinions are divided. “Jews, I think,” said one man. “Communists,” remembered the second. No one named the Russians, but 39% of the prisoners of Mauthausen were Soviet prisoners of war. The image of the Eastern front in the thinking of modern Germans is the snow, the horrors of storming of the burning Berlin and the the soldiers in Stalingrad, devoid of human appearance. Marking May the 9th as the day of the defeat of the Third Reich, Germany still did not realize the scale of the victims among the population of the USSR. No, we don’t need to be apologized to endlessly. It would be nice to just remember…


Prisoners of the German concentration camp Mauthausen, Austria. May 5, 1945. Photo source – RIA Novosti

One of the students, who arrived in Dachau in a group with Gunther, talked to me while his classmate was given a sedative. “You are from Moscow? Must be a big city. But I don’t even know – were the Germans in Moscow during the war?” “A lot of them,” I said to the boy. “They built a bunch of houses around the “Forum” cinema, helped to build Moscow State University, restored the factories”. “So they were prisoners?” the boy was embarrassed. “Oh… excuse me for asking.” “No problem,” I smiled. “But now you know the truth.”


The following line in Zotov’s article:

“Even those who fought forgave the Germans.”

sparked righteous anger with two of the AiF readers, resulting in the following comments, which I think are important to translate:

Alksander Stepanko, 08.05.2013:

I didn’t fight [in that war]… born in 1957. Comrade Zotov! Who gave You the right to speak for everyone!? How can we forgive the torturers?! … the killed, buried alive, perished 27 million !!!…. How can this be forgiven?! Did you even understand what you wrote?!

and

Alla Rybkina, 11.02.2015:

I am from 1949 and neither I nor my children will ever forgive the GERMANS, they buried my grandmother and her children alive in a huge pit of, and forced my grandfather to dig them in, he was Polish. My mother miraculously survived. And my mother-in-law lost all her teeth in the Blockade when she was 30, but rescued two daughters. How can this be forgiven??????????????.

These are very powerful testimonials, and one can collect millions of such testimonials throughout the country that once was USSR. I think, however, that neither Zotov nor these commentators are right. Forgiveness cannot be bestowed upon a Nation as a whole – it can be given to the actual German perpetrator of the war crimes. But what they did cannot be forgiven nor forgotten. The contemporary Germans, the young and those who never fought in that war – there is nothing to forgive them for. We can only hope to build common relations, remember and ensure that the atrocities of WWII are never repeated. Together.

But those Germans who in 1941-1945 came to Russia to kill and conquer, those who inspired them, like Hitler, and those who financed them, like Henry Ford and grandfather of two American presidents – Bush, those Western powers (Britain, France among others) who during the Munich Conspiracy of 1938 gave their active blessing to the start of WWII, thinking that it would not touch them, but would only become a battering ram against the USSR (much like the 2014 neo-Nazi coup in Ukraine).

These are the forces deserving the righteous anger of the Russian people, not the Germans as a whole. It should also be remembered that many Germans themselves perished while trying to fight and stall the rise of Nazism.

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  1. Reblogged this on 1EarthUnited and commented:

    I always appreciate your perspective of history in the proper context. Thanks! 🙂 \o/

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  2. Can you recommend an English-language study of the “Munich Conspiracy of 1938”?

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  3. don’t believe the Bolshevik lies

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    • Which are the lies here? That German Nazis, aided and abetted by US/UK and much of Europe INVADED RUSSIA, UKRAINE, BELARUS AND KILLED 27 MILLION OF MY PEOPLE??!
      WHO HERE IS LYING?!

      BE ADVISED! YOU ARE BANNED FOR SPEWING OVERT LIES, HATRED AND HIDEOUS SUPREMACIST PROPAGANDA.
      YOU ARE NOT WELCOME ON MY BLOG!

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    • It seems that the lies of the Western powers that blessed the start of WWII, the invasion of USSR and the deaths of 27 million Soviet people are being meticulously implanted in the brains of the Western population.

      I would normally not reply to such comments, unless there is something specific there worth rebuking. It’s been said that an obvious troll is obvious, and this is one such case, though not as toxic as some of the comments that Lada shields us from.

      I’d like to reply to this in a true Russian way, with a song, with preamble that exposes the ongoing perversion of history.

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      • This reply is not so much for Stanislav’s benefit, who understands perfectly what’s going on, but for the benefit of all present and future readers!

        Stanislav, I couldn’t agree more with what you’ve said!
        And yes, I deleted a number of the worst comments, some extremely offensive to me – personal attacks – and others affoensive to Russian, Jewish and other people. I could care less about how someone feels about this or that ethnicity or faith. No one is allowed EVER to offend others or speak lies on my blog! This simply will never happen.

        A troll is a troll, by any other name. Of course these people have such low consciousness and they are such sociopaths that they would never get the simplest logic or feelings of others. And as is typical for the Westerners, they will keep aggressively plowing on, posting more and more comments, demanding I publish them. No matter what, such people see only what they want, and the hell with how others feel. I feel truly sorry for them.

        Consequently, I will be making very big and drastic changes to FuturisTrendcast. Such sociopathic behavior will never be tolerated!!

        Also read: AM I ‘HYPOCRITICAL’ IF I EXPOSE THE INJUSTICES AND LIES OF THE US & WEST? https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2019/05/07/am-i-hypocritical-if-i-expose-the-injustices-and-lies-of-the-us-west/

        In both above-referenced posts I only left the most inoquous of trolls’ comments. I spammed the really offensive, agressive, neo-nazi/supremasist ones.

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        • Lada, “Argumenty i Fakty” published today an article rebutting one such “troll”, though a high-profile one, positioning herself as a sensationalist writer, throwing mud over the history of the besieged Leningrad. It shows how mechanics of memory-poisoning work based on an interview this “writer” gave to a Swiss newspaper.

          http://www.aif.ru/society/history/leningrad_kak_obekt_nenavisti_stalina_pravda_pisatelnicy_chizhovoy

          I wonder if I should translate it… it would be a tolling endeavour.

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          • I get very disgusted by such people. And very sad, like someone drained all lifeforce out of me – the reaction to extrmely low consciousness.
            If they say an do such things, this clearly means something is wrong inside of them. They grow up in the same environment as others. If they are so deviant, there can only be one reason – a big problem with their soul. Some sort of internal rot, an ailing heart and soul, which they conceal well from others, but I unfortunately see right through it (wish I didn’t).

            I don’t think you should overstrain translating. Maybe a small excerpt, if you feel up to it. Those who want to find this info, will.
            As I said, I’ll be putting FT on ice, so I won’t be able to post it here. I do not fancy swarming attacks by neo-nazi trolls, and neither do I fancy the perplexed silence by the rest of readers.

            But please feel free to leave any comments you like on Patreon! I’m sure people will want to know about these links! I welcome your contribution. I’ll be posting geopolitical content EXCLUSIVELY on Lada Ray Patreon, going forward. Plus, on Lada Ray YouTube as Earth Shift Podcast!

            Thanks so much, yet again, for all your contributions! I value them very highly. Might create a bank of the links you provided – I’ll see where I can put it. Possibly a separate page on FT! I’ll be in touch on that!

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  4. Trier,Katrin

    Dear Lada, Thank you for your truth telling all these years. I’m always amazed about your humane insights and command of language……. Here is just a little of my background. I was born in 1943 in former W-Germany. People around me…..after the war, understood Russia had suffered greatly and expressed it openly with a deep sigh…….. My dad was killed on the “great dividing line” of the Dnieper river. One of my uncles died in a foxhole somewhere close to the Crimean Peninsula. First, he had a wonderful experience being housed in a welcoming Ukrainian home.
    But what I really want to tell you comes from my oldest uncle Eugen, born 1899. He survived both WW’s. I have in my possession a letter he wrote to his parents, shortly before WW2. It goes something like this:” Last night I went down to the railroad depot to observe the new weaponry being unloaded. I tell you, they are the best and finest kind you can imagine. Nothing, like we used in WW1.The Russians won’t have any chance against these new weapons!” …… Considering the outcome, it first seemed ironic to read it…….But my outlook shifted then and I realized the questions these few sentences were laying bare…. How could Germany, after brutal WW1 and the crippling sanctions of the “Versailles Treaty,” disabling monetary inflation, be able to wage war in (approximately )only 25 years? Who financed the “new, shiny weaponry?” Who supplied the money, the industrial metal, ore and labor? Who wants to “develop” Russia and why the relentless “Drang nach Osten?”

    A little lengthy, but maybe interesting to you and your readers. Best Wishes always! Katrin

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    • Thanks for the testimonial, Katrin. Appreciate the right words.
      We very much the need true understanding and healing. Blessings.

      Unfortunately, there are too many who want a rebirth on Nazism. Humans never learn. I keep getting comments from Neonazis, who attack me about this article, blaming me for everything in the world. And it’s not even my article. They are all from either US, UK or northern Europe. The latest I just deleted and banned was from Sweden.

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  5. In-depth information and perspective, always “further” and “higher” 🙂

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  6. UPDATE! I cannot believe these trolls are still bombing me with negative attacks. The worst are those from Sweden, Canada, US, and UK it appears. Some are hiding behind fake IDs and IPs, and they keep changing IPs and emails once I ban them, in order to keep bombing with spam. One apparently is an American living in Japan, or it could be a fake IP. These sociopaths cum neo-nazis can’t take a hint no matter what.

    Spam, ban, delete without second glance!

    Hey, trolls, don’t bother – you have been added to the lifetime ban list!

    Disabling comments now!

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