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“So many? Really?” Germans do not know how many Russians were killed by their ancestors

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Re-posting this article from Stanislav as a whole! 

Link: http://stanislavs.org/so-many-really-germans-do-not-know-how-many-russians-were-killed-by-their-ancestors/

Stanislav Sokolov, May, 2019:

Victory Day, May the 9th is close and to commemorate it, I translated an article by Georgij Zotov from Argumenty i Facty of 2013, with some additional commentary from me. Despite it being 6 years old, it is even more current than it was back then.

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In 2015 I translated Georgij Zotov’s article Repentance of Berlin. After 70 years, the Germans have an unambiguous attitude towards the Soviet victory.

This year it elicited the following comment:

LaRock on March 6, 2019 at 19:50 said:
The war is over stop punishing Germany

To which I replied:

Stanislav on March 12, 2019 at 20:02 said:
This comment should be addressed to the USA, who are still occupying and punishing Germany. If you read the article, you’d see that it’s about remembrance and reconciliation.

However, a better reply would have been a translation of an even earlier article by Zotov, one from 2013. I am translating it below, followed by a translation of two reader comments from AiF and my thoughts on them and what Zotov wrote in one particular paragraph.

Today, with racism and calls to war and genocide being the norm on the pages of the Western MSM (“racism” is a common-root synonym of “russophobia”) and the number of the Western troops and war hardware right on the Russian border being the highest since the June of 1941, it is time to remember. For while the West is collectively shrugging off 1941-1945 as “just another invasion of Russia” and preparing for a new one, Russia remembers, watches closely and prepares to defend its land once more.

In this today’s context remembrance is the key to preventing another invasion of Russia by the West, and prevent this time hundreds of millions people being killed – both defenders, attackers and bystanders…


“So many? Really?” Germans do not know how many Russians were killed by their ancestors

Argumenty i Fakty, 05.05.2013

“AiF” correspondent talked in Germany with a lot of people, including the grandson of Rudolf Hess. And found out that the Victory Day is respected, but most residents of Germany do not know how many lives we lost in The War.

The 15-year-old Gunther suddenly had a seizure – an hour after the start of the tour. He fell to his knees beside the barracks and began to sob, smearing tears on his cheeks. A crowd gathered around the boy. Someone from his high school was calling on a cellphone, someone searched the pockets for pills. “Why?!” Gunther shouted. “How could the Germans do THIS to people?! Do we even deserve forgiveness?”


Rally participants of the Youth caravan of peace in the former Nazi concentration camp Dachau. 1986 meeting of participants of the Youth caravan of the world in the former Nazi concentration camp Dachau. 1986 Photo – RIA Novosti

Nervous breakdowns of German teenagers in the ex-concentration camp of the SS Dachau near Munich are quite common. Despite this, a visit to the memorial is included in the compulsory school curriculum for high school. Children are shown the crematorium ovens, where tens of thousands of prisoners burned, gas chambers and photos of savage experiments of SS doctors. “It is necessary in order for this not to happen again,” the Museum employee told me. “After all, the worst of evils is forgotten over time.” That’s, probably, the case. According to polls, 80% of Germans now do not know that their grandfathers killed 27 million people in the USSR…

“Land of ice and snow”

“What do I think about the Victory Day? Oh, the Russians seem like mysterious heroes from science fiction films to me. That’s, probably, how the people, who overturned Hitler should appear. Many Germans still do not understand why Germany decided to fight with you. We have much in common as peoples – take, for example, at least a love for sausages and beer!»

73-year-old lawyer Rolf Clement was a child when the war began. His cousin, an officer of the Wehrmacht, froze to death in Stalingrad. He says, there can be no hard feelings: “We attacked, you defended. Fair enough.” But Rolf has a different attitude towards the Americans and the British: “In the Summer of 43, their aircraft completely burned Hamburg, killing 42 thousand people. Is this the right kind of war?” The Germans often emphasized in the interviews: Hitler was a monster, but they also had hard times when he was in power. They remember the death of Paulus’s army, the bombing of the cities, and the fall of Berlin. They are well aware of the Holocaust and the millions of Jews killed in concentration camps. However, the inhabitants of Germany do not know much about the seas of blood, which flooded the Soviet Union.

“For the Germans,” says historian Gerhard Büchlein “Russia is a country of ice and snow, where “General Winter” froze poor boys dressed in a uniform with a swastika. But in Germany they shy to argue on the topic that the Wehrmacht and the SS perpetrated on the occupied territory of the USSR. On TV and in press they do not forget to mention: only 6 thousand soldiers (from 100 thousand taken as POWs in Stalingrad) have returned home. However, few people know that 3 million Soviet prisoners of war were tortured in the SS concentration camps. We are horrified by the allied air raids – 600 thousand Germans buried alive under the rubble of buildings in Berlin, Dresden, Regensburg. And we have no idea that exactly the same number of people died from hunger and shelling because of the siege of Leningrad.”


Hamburg 1943. Photo: globallookpress.com

Munich (like Hamburg) was also bombed, though less so. Some “significant places” of the Third Reich survived, but then they were destroyed by the Germans themselves. For example, a demolished pub “Burgerbraukeller”, where Hitler pushed speeches (for the avoidance of pilgrimage for neo-Nazis). The man I’m interviewing is taking me downtown.

“You know,” I say to my companion. “If my grandfather had seen us, he would not have liked it.”

“Hmm,” he says in reply. “And mine even less so. I’m sitting next to a Russian!”

“Did we kill so many?!»

My grandfather was a Soviet military pilot, was shot down in late 1944 and remained in captivity until the German surrender. The grandfather of my interlocutor, 34-year-old engineer Wolf Hess, was Hitler’s Deputy for the party, obergruppenführer Rudolf Hess. Wolf himself is anti-fascist and sincerely believes that May the 9th is the liberation of his country from dictatorship. “I want to know,” he asks. “If I come to Russia, will I have any difficulties?” “Of course not,” I say. “Even those who fought forgave the Germans.” Wolf nods: “I never felt that the Russians were our enemies. And… how many civilians died in the USSR?” I answer him – about 18 million. Executions of hostages, mass executions in Babi Yar, punitive actions, automated suffocator machines in Krasnodar. Wolf pales. “Really that many?!»


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This phrase is one that I often hear in Germany. “Do you want to see photos on the Internet?” I enquire. “There are SS men posing next to the mountains of corpses. There are thousands of pictures in the archives.” My companion is lost in thought. “We rarely talk about it,” he sighs. “The main theme of the atrocities of the Nazis is Holocaust.”

In my opinion, we should not forget the Holocaust. It’s the insane destruction of an entire nation, from babies to old people. Another thing – it turns out that repentance for the atrocities of the German army is very selective. Films, talk shows and TV shows are devoted to one fact, while the others are kept under wraps. Even in Austria, in a town near the former SS Mauthausen concentration camp, when I asked passers-bys about who had been killed in the barracks, the opinions are divided. “Jews, I think,” said one man. “Communists,” remembered the second. No one named the Russians, but 39% of the prisoners of Mauthausen were Soviet prisoners of war. The image of the Eastern front in the thinking of modern Germans is the snow, the horrors of storming of the burning Berlin and the the soldiers in Stalingrad, devoid of human appearance. Marking May the 9th as the day of the defeat of the Third Reich, Germany still did not realize the scale of the victims among the population of the USSR. No, we don’t need to be apologized to endlessly. It would be nice to just remember…


Prisoners of the German concentration camp Mauthausen, Austria. May 5, 1945. Photo source – RIA Novosti

One of the students, who arrived in Dachau in a group with Gunther, talked to me while his classmate was given a sedative. “You are from Moscow? Must be a big city. But I don’t even know – were the Germans in Moscow during the war?” “A lot of them,” I said to the boy. “They built a bunch of houses around the “Forum” cinema, helped to build Moscow State University, restored the factories”. “So they were prisoners?” the boy was embarrassed. “Oh… excuse me for asking.” “No problem,” I smiled. “But now you know the truth.”


The following line in Zotov’s article:

“Even those who fought forgave the Germans.”

sparked righteous anger with two of the AiF readers, resulting in the following comments, which I think are important to translate:

Alksander Stepanko, 08.05.2013:

I didn’t fight [in that war]… born in 1957. Comrade Zotov! Who gave You the right to speak for everyone!? How can we forgive the torturers?! … the killed, buried alive, perished 27 million !!!…. How can this be forgiven?! Did you even understand what you wrote?!

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Alla Rybkina, 11.02.2015:

I am from 1949 and neither I nor my children will ever forgive the GERMANS, they buried my grandmother and her children alive in a huge pit of, and forced my grandfather to dig them in, he was Polish. My mother miraculously survived. And my mother-in-law lost all her teeth in the Blockade when she was 30, but rescued two daughters. How can this be forgiven??????????????.

These are very powerful testimonials, and one can collect millions of such testimonials throughout the country that once was USSR. I think, however, that neither Zotov nor these commentators are right. Forgiveness cannot be bestowed upon a Nation as a whole – it can be given to the actual German perpetrator of the war crimes. But what they did cannot be forgiven nor forgotten. The contemporary Germans, the young and those who never fought in that war – there is nothing to forgive them for. We can only hope to build common relations, remember and ensure that the atrocities of WWII are never repeated. Together.

But those Germans who in 1941-1945 came to Russia to kill and conquer, those who inspired them, like Hitler, and those who financed them, like Henry Ford and grandfather of two American presidents – Bush, those Western powers (Britain, France among others) who during the Munich Conspiracy of 1938 gave their active blessing to the start of WWII, thinking that it would not touch them, but would only become a battering ram against the USSR (much like the 2014 neo-Nazi coup in Ukraine).

These are the forces deserving the righteous anger of the Russian people, not the Germans as a whole. It should also be remembered that many Germans themselves perished while trying to fight and stall the rise of Nazism.

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The Importance of Victory Day, The Immortal Regiment, St. George Ribbon – AND GLOBALIST PLAN FIASCO!

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THE IMPORTANCE OF RUSSIAN DEN’ POBEDY (VICTORY DAY)

This is an important analytics + intel + info post!

Included: THE SUMMARY OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST 4+ YEARS (2014-18), AND HOW THE WORLD HAS CHANGED SINCE! Read to the end!

I am inspired to write yet another Ask Lada, in response to the astute comment by Robert. See latest: EARTH SHIFT: Why Those Who Profit from the Old System Don’t Realize the Game’s Up?)

As Robert correctly pointed out, it’s time for the iconic Russian Ribbon of St. George (Rus: Georgievskaya Lentochka)! It really is the time to order it (see some links below) if you want to show solidarity with Russia and honor the Victory Day on May 9! But there is so much to the story, and so much can be learned by contemplating everything that is happening around the symbolism of this simple gold and black piece of fabric! Behind it is the story of our lives, and much more! Read on to learn the BIG scoop!

As I do every year, I’ll have a small event here on FT in honor of May 9, 2018.

Why do I do this? Very simple: I personally don’t need a reminder of the truth of the Russian/Soviet sacrifice to rid humanity of its biggest plague: fascism and Nazism. But it appears many people do. I am inviting you to join me for the May 9th events and honor those who died, those who sacrificed their families and their country to allow you to live freely today.

MY theme for this year is #IRemember

This year’s posts will focus around the positive: I’ll share some wonderful songs, the parade and a few more surprises. Today is the first of them!

If you want to see my big posts from previous years, explaining WWII history and truths that were previously falsified or silenced, go to CATEGORIES — WWII & Great Victory.

Among those posts you’ll also find videos of Victory Day Parade, the Immortal Regiment March and images of the St. George Ribbon. One example: #VictoryDay Parade on Red Square and Moscow V-Day Fireworks May 9, 2017.

 

BESSMERTNY POLK (THE IMMORTAL REGIMENT)

A new notable Victory Day (RUS: Den’ Pobedy) tradition, which emerged as the Russians’ awesome spontaneous response to the West’s Russophobic sanctions and Kiev Maidan is the Immortal Regiment March ( RUS: Bessmertny Polk). An what a brilliant response it was: peaceful and highly positive! I don’t think we as humans have fully appreciated yet the sheer importance and magnitude of this game changer!

The new Immortal Regiment tradition began in Siberia in 2014, as a grassroots response to Western sanctions and Russophobic Kiev Maidan. Once the initiative was announced, before anyone knew, millions joined in ALL cities and villages of Russia, and in many locations abroad. Putin personally walked with a photo of his ancestor in the Moscow march. The march keeps growing every year as more countries and groups around the world join in. People carry WWII photos of their ancestors, the iconic Victory Banners (RUS: ZNAMIA POBEDY), and of course, they wear the St. George Ribbons. 

The Immortal Regiment Marches will again be taking place all over the world on or around May 9, 2018. If you live in Russia, most of the post-Soviet space, China, US, almost anywhere in Europe, Canada or Australia I’m sure you can find one to join near you – just check local bulletin boards or online resources. It should be a safe and fun event everywhere (let’s hope), except a few places. I don’t know what the situation may be in the following countries, which are rabidly Russophobic: Poland, Estonia and Latvia – Immortal Regiment may be banned there (check locally). Although, come think of it, such grassroots peaceful initiative could be hard to ban, considering the enormous number of people who care about it, and considering these ‘european’ countries still pretend to play the farce of democracy, and very badly too.

SIDE NOTE: HOT BALTIC/LATVIA INTEL!

I never got the chance to mention previously what’s happening in Latvia. The US and NATO are shipping more and more troops and hardware to all of the Baltics, notably, to Latvia. At the same time, Latvian Russophobic and pro-Nazi elements forced the new ‘education law’, according to which Russian language is being squeezed out Russian schools, mandating classes being taught in Latvian only, with just 3-4 hours a week allowed for Russian language! This basically amounts to forceful conversion of the Russian-speaking population in Latvia. To give you an idea, the Russian-speakers in Latvia constitute anywhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the population. My intel says that this new draconian law was closely coordinated with the Kiev junta; Poroshenko and ukro-nazis are directly behind it.

Latvia isn’t the only one succumbing more and more to darkness, as its economic situation worsens… The rest of the Baltics is going the same way. Moreover, as we speak, in Armenia we have a new Maidan, although in Armenia it’s hard to use anti-Russian slogans as the population is largely pro-Russian – so far… But those who organize these things are relentless, just look at Ukraine. This is a story worthy of a separate article – stay tuned for more soon.

UKRAINE, THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACE IN EUROPE!

But it’s only in Ukraine where people directly risk their lives and freedom to participate in the Immortal Regiment March and wear the St. George Ribbon! Based on the new draconian law citizens are forbidden and can be arrested if they dare to wear St. George Ribbons. Moreover, everyone who comes out to participate in the march risks being attacked and injured, or even killed, by ukro-nazis – we had terrible examples of that in Nikolaev last year. Activists and march organizers in Kiev, Odessa, Kharkov, etc., were killed or driven out of the country in previous years.

There were bizarre incidents, caught on camera and shown on YT when ukro-nazis who took over the poor Odessa were stopping passing cars and beating up/humiliating people heading from Moldova to Russia via Odessa, only because they had St. George Ribbons on their cars – a very common symbol in Moldova, where they haven’t lost their minds as completely as in Ukraine. One of the disgusting incidents involved a group of crying Moldavian women who were threatened and made exit their car, then forced to publicly sing ukro-nazi anthem, take off the ribbon and apologize, while the huge, arms-bearing ukro-nazis laughed and humiliated them. All this was recorded and posted on YT by ukro-nazis themselves. The disgusting video of course was later taken down by YT, but only after over a million people saw it. Such videos from Ukraine appear regularly on YT. I try not to look at those – too filthy and disgusting.

And this is your new EURO-ASSOCIATED MEMBER and new best friend, dear Europeans! And dear Americans: this is where your tax dollars are hard at work – to allow this filthy ukro-nazi scum to proliferate, while humiliating women, injuring, killing and stealing from their compatriots, and while driving their disintegrating country into the stone age! What do you think is keeping the sinking ship of the Kiev junta still afloat? The secret infusions from the US, Canada and EU, of course. And this is all done for the sake of keeping a Russophobic thorn in Russia’s side.

So, keep working hard and diligently pay your taxes, so the Dark State/deep state/globalists could grow more regimes like this! Just look at the Maidan 2.0 developing in Armenia; just look at what’s happening in Latvia!

But if you disagree with how your tax dollars/euros/pounds are being spent, do something about it! Write to your representatives, vote the likes of McCain, May and Macron out of office, and vote in better people! Finally, support THIS BLOG, tell others, and share this post! And – wear (or post on your blog/site) the Ribbon of St. George!

Got to give it to Ukrainians! Despite all the threats and dangers, normal people still come out on May 9 by the thousands in Kiev, Odessa and elsewhere! The Kiev junta and its Western handlers tried very hard to squash any genetic memory on the territory of former Ukraine, but as we see, it didn’t work as intended. There is hope for Ukraine yet!

VICTORY DAY PLANS

The Victory Day theme begins today, with this post! I’ll have two or three more in the run-up to May 9, including the culmination on May 9!

On FT, under WWII & Great Victory. you can find my previous years’ posts, including the Immortal Regiment March in Moscow, which alone gathered nearly 1 million people. Previous years’ marches gathered as much as the enormous 14 million+ worldwide annually.

 

THE GLOBALIST PLAN FIASCO

The sudden appearance and unbelievable all-Russia and global grassroots response to Bessmertny Polk was a HUGE shock to all globalist and anti-Russian forces. Let me remind you that at the time (we are talking 2014) the collective West worked hard trying to oust Putin and execute regime change in Russia through isolation, sanctions and scaring the Russian people into submission. They tried to force a color revolution in Russia in response to a popular discontent they judged would take place if sanctions, Soros attack against the ruble and international isolation made the lives of ordinary Russians harder.

ALL OF THIS BACKFIRED VERY BADLY —  as I predicted since the beginning of the whole saga in 2014! As a result Putin and Russia only got stronger, having engaged more actively worldwide, forging a much closer Russia-China alliance, unheard-of new Russia-Turkey-Iran alliance, building Nord Stream-2 and Turkish Stream, on the fly modifying the structure of Russian economy and substituting exports for domestic production, building up Crimea, and emerging victorious in Syria. Oh, yeah – and voting for Putin in unprecedented numbers!

And the cherry on cake: RUSSIA THE GREAT BALANCER FINALLY FULLY AWOKE TO HER TRUE GLOBAL ROLE!

As a result, just four years after what could on the surface seem as the US/EU globalism’s crucial victory in Ukraine against Russia, the opposite appears true. Today we live in a completely different world, but it is much further from the ultimate globalist dream, and much closer to the EARTH SHIFT and a more equitable distribution of global resources. It is a big fiasco for NWO, US/EU and various anti-Russian forces.

And it is a BIG VICTORY for all of us – those who saw what they were trying to do and who successfully prevented their worst dream scenario from materializing!

 

THE ST. GEORGE RIBBON – Lada’s inside intel! Just don’t tell anyone 😉

Obviously tell everyone – this is an awesome way to show you care! Feel the awesomeness you can be a part of by  wearing this very simple gold and black striped ribbon:

1. Some around the world began considering the St. George Ribbon as a new anti-globalist and anti-fascist symbol.

2. If you agree with what the Russian Army is doing in Syria to prevent the spread of ISIS and terrorism and to stop the US/UK/French aggression, you can also wear the St. George Ribbon to demonstrate your support for the Russian Army!

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3. On May 8-9 in Russia and many other countries (incl. US and EU) in some cities they give out St. George Ribbons for free on streets, and also before the march! This is Moscow:

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4. ‘I found that Amazon Uk is selling order of St George ribbons if anybody wishes to join in Russia’s victory celebration in May. Best wishes, Robert

Amazon does sell them and it’s time to order if you want to get it on time! The links below are for Amazon US – you may want to do your own search in your country. These are just examples, NOT endorsements (I don’t know these sellers and don’t vouch for their quality). But I might buy something from one of them.

Found this economical 50-count (US)

Or if you just need a few – seems like better length

I found this modest May 9 T-shirt with Georgievskaya Lentochka

This T-shirt is cute and comes in different colors

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#VictoryDay Parade on Red Square and Moscow V-Day Fireworks May 9, 2017

WATCH RELOADED! #VictoryDay Special: The Battle of Russia. Rare truth from US about Russia

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Russian Songs of Victory and Peace in the center of Berlin! #VictoryDay (Red Army Choir)

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#VictoryDay special 2. A huge crowd gathered to hear the Russian songs of victory and peace in the center of Berlin. This rare event happened on May 7, 2017. Performance by The Turetsky Choir and the Soprano of Turetsky. Many beautiful songs, including Katyusha and others. Awesome voices.

The 2017 event has recreated to a minute detail the legendary Red Army Choir Berlin performances of 1945, 1948 and 1960s. Notice people sitting on steps and on top of structures – just like in 1940s.

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Lada Ray #VictoryDay 2017 special. 1943 US film with exceedingly rare for the West truthful and positive portrayal of Russia. This film is now posted on Lada Ray Channel.

This film was made in 1943 on direct orders of Roosevelt, who was trying to convince USA elites to enter WWII in Europe against Fascist Germany and its allies, in response to repeated pleas by Stalin during 1941-43 era, when the help of allies was truly needed. US finally entered WWII in 1944, after Red Army liberated all or most of its territory, when the next objective became taking over Berlin and squashing fascism in its bunker, and when it became clear that the USSR could win the war all by itself.

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